Do you want Kirk to retire after the season?

[FrodoTBaggin]

Also, they are right at the precipice and the overall toughness is back in the program. They kicked a lot of ass and hurt a lot of people this season while making the top level teams shit their pants and pull our miracles for wins. Since 2019, that simply wasn't existent, so after 7 years of wandering in the dark barely beating shitty teams and getting embarrassed by good teams, the trajectory of the program is very good again.

That's always been my favorite thing about Kirk's teams. The other teams always have WAY more guys laying on the field hurt waiting for a trainer during games. There isn't a tougher program in the country. Not even a close second.

 

[Fair and Balanced]

Also, they are right at the precipice and the overall toughness is back in the program. They kicked a lot of ass and hurt a lot of people this season while making the top level teams shit their pants and pull our miracles for wins. Since 2019, that simply wasn't existent, so after 7 years of wandering in the dark barely beating shitty teams and getting embarrassed by good teams, the trajectory of the program is very good again.

They went the entire season without ever getting their asses kicked, which isn’t nothing.

 

[cloudhawk]

That's why I like the idea of Bert. Understood the Hayden Fry Hawkeyes. Ass kicker, understands the need for Jimmy's and Joe's from Florida, understands the importance of dominating on the lines. Plus his sideline antics bring the lulz.

Illinois doesn't deserve him

Beth should make it happen.

 

[Verbal]

Bert has a non-compete. That ship has sailed.

 

[Mr. Hawk]

I don’t get the “I want Kirk to go and the placement to come from within” thinking.

I think some of the worry is thy if he stays, the big names internally could get picked off.

 

[douglasbader]

Bert gained all his weight back from the summer and got embarrassed by a shitty Wisconsin team in what should have been a heated rivalry game, but his guys played like bitches.

I don't want him. Ever.

 

[CurdMan]

I think some of the worry is thy if he stays, the big names internally could get picked off.

I think it’s much more likely that assistants leave once he goes than if he stays. People are extremely loyal to KF and he’s extremely loyal to them. While frustrating at times, it’s one of the big reasons that Iowa has a program more successful than it should be.

 

[CurdMan]

Bert gained all his weight back from the summer and got embarrassed by a shitty Wisconsin team in what should have been a heated rivalry game, but his guys played like bitches.

I don't want him. Ever.

Bert is nice to look at from afar but you don’t want to wake up next to him

 

[douglasbader]

I think some of the worry is thy if he stays, the big names internally could get picked off.

Right. Seth Wallace already has gotten offers for DC / Associate Head Coach from Minnesota and similar other programs, and that was 2 years ago. LeVar Woods has gotten a ton of offers and nearly left. Phil isn't going anywhere, but he also has gotten ridiculous offers. They couldn't hold onto Ladell Betts this past year.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

I think the thought is that he would retire and a assistant coach would take his place

 

[Gushawk]

I think holding on to anyone on the staff other than the guy who becomes HC is one of the biggest risks associated with an internal promotion. You probably lose 2-5 guys off the current staff minimum, with the biggest risks being Phil, Woods, and Lester likely in that order. On the bright side, the new guy would presumably tell Pud to GTFO.

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

Bert is nice to look at from afar but you don’t want to wake up next to him

He's a heart attack waiting to happen.

 

[cloudhawk]

Ok- Saban then I guess

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

I'm mercurial on whether Ferentz should stay. Where I seem to be right now is that I certainly hope he doesn't decide to go for 30, but another year or two would be fine. As far as hiring a replacement from within is concerned, I don't know nearly as much about that as most of the board does, and yet I do look at what an outside hire like Cignetti has done in a short period of time at Indiana, and I'm envious.

 

[douglasbader]

I think holding on to anyone on the staff other than the guy who becomes HC is one of the biggest risks associated with an internal promotion. You probably lose 2-5 guys off the current staff minimum, with the biggest risks being Phil, Woods, and Lester likely in that order. On the bright side, the new guy would presumably tell Pud to GTFO.

Excuse me, but this is completely retarded. It's likely the very opposite of that.

Why in the hell would you lose "2-5 guys minimum"? Kirk / Beth aren't handing someone like Wallace the job unless they have almost complete buy in from the current staff. Sure, you may have a Lavar Woods that might want to move on, but Mason is a Freshman and I think he has another one coming. It's more likely they give Lavar a bump in pay and a better title or more responsibility.

Lol at thinking they are going to make an internal promotion and then everyone walks out the door. That's stupid.

 

[douglasbader]

I'm mercurial on whether Ferentz should stay. Where I seem to be right now is that I certainly hope he doesn't decide to go for 30, but another year or two would be fine. As far as hiring a replacement from within is concerned, I don't know nearly as much about that as most of the board does, and yet I do look at what an outside hire like Cignetti has done in a short period of time at Indiana, and I'm envious.

This also is completely retarded. Cignetti is the EXTREME outlier and Indiana was a completely rudderless program with zero identity and a terrible history before his hire. It isn't remotely the same situation. The much more likely situation is something like Fickell and Wisconsin.

 

[Gushawk]

Excuse me, but this is completely retarded. It's likely the very opposite of that.

Why in the hell would you lose "2-5 guys minimum"?

Phil would retire. Woods and Lester would potentially feel passed over/deadended and leave.

 

[douglasbader]

Phil would retire. Woods and Lester would potentially feel passed over/deadended and leave.

Again, this is retarded. Kirk/Beth aren't hiring Wallace without knowing they have all the assistants in place to keep continuity. It's the entire reason you would hire him in the first place.

Phil and Wallace are very close, it's much more likely that Phil would DC for a couple years and then retire. Lester was a fucking $100k analyst for the Packers and had zero other jobs willing to pay him $1m+ per year. He ain't going anywhere.

Woods is the biggest risk, but Mason is a freshman on the team and his entire life has been in Iowa City. I'm guessing they would find a way to placate him with a better title and big pay raise.

The others aren't likely going anywhere. They are all Iowa loyalists.

 

[douglasbader]

The other thing at play is if you hire Wallace internally, you likely get a hometown discount on salary. Instead of the $7.5m that Kirk makes, you can likely give him $5.5m w/ heavy incentives per year and free up $2m for others. Phil makes $2m already, so he doesn't need more or even want more. Give Woods another $500k per year and bring him up to $1.25m and a better title. Give Lester another $250k and get him to $1.5m total. You still have plenty to rain on others to stay.

Where are any of these guys going to get that sort of money to do what they do and have the same insane job security?

 

[Mr. Hawk]

I could see Phil retiring and them making Lavar DC to keep him under Wallace.
And Lester hasn’t earned it yet.

 

[Gushawk]

Bell will be DC if Wallace is coach and Phil retires, imo

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Agreed.

If you’re tired of Kirk, neither Wallace nor Woods should be your choice as a replacement.

wrong

 

[BillyBob]

Who gives a fuck if Lester leaves in this hypothetical scenario

 

[Gushawk]

Who gives a fuck if Lester leaves in this hypothetical scenario

I kind of do. I certainly don’t want to try some “aggressive” shit like Wisconsin has…we need to basically do what we’ve been doing with about twice as many shots downfield

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

This also is completely retarded. Cignetti is the EXTREME outlier and Indiana was a completely rudderless program with zero identity and a terrible history before his hire. It isn't remotely the same situation. The much more likely situation is something like Fickell and Wisconsin.

I agree with you. Cignetti was extremely extreme, and Iowa's chances of duplicating him with an outside hire are extremely remote. Still, I'm extremely envious of what he's done at Indiana, and I'm pretty sure every poster on this board, if they're being honest, is too,

 

[douglasbader]

I agree with you. Cignetti was extremely extreme, and Iowa's chances of duplicating him with an outside hire are extremely remote. Still, I'm extremely envious of what he's done at Indiana, and I'm pretty sure every poster on this board, if they're being honest, is too,

I'm not envious of them at all actually.

 

[cloudhawk]

They beat Oregon this year and Michigan last year as only Big type wins.
See if they can keep it reproduceable

 

[Gushawk]

Cignetti is old and ain’t no way they are catching that lightning in a bottle twice. I’d definitely trade Iowa’s next 20 years for theirs.

 

[Fair and Balanced]

That's always been my favorite thing about Kirk's teams. The other teams always have WAY more guys laying on the field hurt waiting for a trainer during games. There isn't a tougher program in the country. Not even a close second.

It seems like a pretty consistent 3:1 ratio in terms of dudes limping off the field. I doubt it’s actually that high but it’s noticeable game after game. It actually supports his “keep it close then win at the end” philosophy.

 

[Fair and Balanced]

I'm not envious of them at all actually.

I sure as hell am.

 

[douglasbader]

I sure as hell am.

Fat people always be hatin' and jealous. =)

 

[Fair and Balanced]

Fat people always be hatin' and jealous. =)

I am no longer tremendous, Douglas.

 

[douglasbader]

I am no longer tremendous, Douglas.

So says you.

 

[Gushawk]

I am no longer tremendous, Douglas.

fat shots!?

 

[Fair and Balanced]

fat shots!?

I’m not above it.

 

[Uff Da]

Seth would be a decent option. This season showed that Iowa hasn't fallen back to much. Physical and seem to have lot of good players coming up. Get the lines upgraded in the portal.
Kirk's failing at this point is no attempt to improve the passing game. Seems to be what is holding them back from a higher level.

 

[kmurp]

Phil is so good developing secondary players. That will be sorely missed.

 

[Gushawk]

I’m not above it.

no fat person should be

 

[Gushawk]

Seth would be a decent option. This season showed that Iowa hasn't fallen back to much. Physical and seem to have lot of good players coming up. Get the lines upgraded in the portal.
Kirk's failing at this point is no attempt to improve the passing game. Seems to be what is holding them back from a higher level.

I wouldn’t spend a dime on OL - it will be fine. Really need to empty the piggy bank on a big fucker that can play opposite Hawthorne - Pace wasn’t up to the standard. no other gaping holes next year, other than getting a better Plan A/B QB than Hank Brown.

 

[BillyBob]

I’m not at all envious of the greatest program turnaround in the history of college football

 

[cloudhawk]

I’m not at all envious of the greatest program turnaround in the history of college football

Let's just call it a neat story for now....

 

[Fair and Balanced]

I wouldn’t spend a dime on OL - it will be fine. Really need to empty the piggy bank on a big fucker that can play opposite Hawthorne - Pace wasn’t up to the standard. no other gaping holes next year, other than getting a better Plan A/B QB than Hank Brown.

WR

 

[Gushawk]

I’ll allow it, but I kind of like Reece, Parker and Howard relative to what we’ve recently had.

 

[Fair and Balanced]

At least we have Butt Mayor to coach them up!

 

[CurdMan]

WR and DL. Take a look at QB and if an upgrade is available for a guy who isn’t having off season surgery, go for it. But spending huge on qb at the expense of other needs might not be worthwhile if Hecklinski appears competent

 

[Gushawk]

Even if Hecklinski is good, he’s a small and plays with reckless abandon. We need something better than Hank Brown behind him. I’ve seen enough of how that plays out in a game that matters.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Hank Brown is an inexperienced player who was forced into a situation with no prep. Let’s settle down a bit.

 

[Gushawk]

Hank Brown is an inexperienced player who was forced into a situation with no prep. Let’s settle down a bit.

He’s immobile and shit his pants. Terrible combo that I have no interest in learning more about.

 

[Uff Da]

I wouldn’t spend a dime on OL - it will be fine. Really need to empty the piggy bank on a big fucker that can play opposite Hawthorne - Pace wasn’t up to the standard. no other gaping holes next year, other than getting a better Plan A/B QB than Hank Brown.

If you can get a high level OL then it should happen, get your point though.
D line has to be a very tough transfer portal market.

Need to get another QB, counting on Hecklinski seems like a risk.

WR would be a good idea, except, they seem to only attract small WR's in the portal.

 

[douglasbader]

I’m not at all envious of the greatest program turnaround in the history of college football

Correct, mostly because Iowa didn't need to turn anything around because the program hasn't been a complete joke like Indiana's.

Good for them.