Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz (Kirk's back in the fight, boyz!!)

[Pedro]

Sometimes when leaders have been in the same role for a long time they get complacent. It's always easier to do the same thing year after year when the results are acceptable. Kirk has been in that situation the last several years.

I can see this situation being a catalyst for Kirk to make positive changes. Nobody wants to see Kirk succeed more than the man himself. I just hope he has the horses in the stable to affect that positive change. If he doesn't retire after this year, he only has but a couple more left before he hangs it up for good.

 

[Magic Cyclops]

Maybe, just maybe, he's got a giant fat retarded weight off his shoulders and he woke up today feeling renewed.

I seem to recall Iowa fans and experts on this board being pretty excited about Brian coming on board. Gronk and Belichick had high praise for Brian. Offensive line improved when he came back and then when he was named Run Game coordinator prior to 2015 Hawks went 12-0. Brian isn't a big dumb oaf.

He had some great games and some clunkers, and then the past 3 years have been shit. Offensive line, QB, and receiver recruitment and development have been a big problem. I doubt that's all Brian's play calling

 

[MikeyJoe]

I seem to recall Iowa fans and experts on this board being pretty excited about Brian coming on board.

Right. And then it turned out they were wrong and he was bad so they changed their minds.

Which is what rational people do when circumstances show they were wrong.

 

[KitKatApples]

I seem to recall Iowa fans and experts on this board being pretty excited about Brian coming on board. Gronk and Belichick had high praise for Brian. Offensive line improved when he came back and then when he was named Run Game coordinator prior to 2015 Hawks went 12-0. Brian isn't a big dumb oaf.

He had some great games and some clunkers, and then the past 3 years have been shit. Offensive line, QB, and receiver recruitment and development have been a big problem. I doubt that's all Brian's play calling

I know they should’ve hated him from the get go without any results to back it up. That would’ve made total sense.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I hope he hires Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz as OC

 

[HiawathaHawk]

Right. And then it turned out they were wrong and he was bad so they changed their minds.

Which is what rational people do when circumstances show they were wrong.

And it wasn’t just that he was bad, it kept cratering worse over the last 3 years. His first 4 years would look amazing right now. They were inconsistent and had some terrible performances but they also had some great games and reasons for hope.

 

[thrawn]

I am something of a romantic so I thought Brian could at least have a top 120 offense regularly.

 

[Magic Cyclops]

Right. And then it turned out they were wrong and he was bad so they changed their minds.

Which is what rational people do when circumstances show they were wrong.

Yeah my point being, people suggesting Kirk hired his big dumb oaf son with zero qualifications just because he was his son. That is simply not true.

 

[Magic Cyclops]

And it wasn’t just that he was bad, it kept cratering worse over the last 3 years. His first 4 years would look amazing right now. They were inconsistent and had some terrible performances but they also had some great games and reasons for hope.

Legit asking, how much does Brian have to do with O-line development. Seems like it has been shit since Barnett has been there the last 3 years.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

Just think if they weren’t going 3 and out all the time how much worse the defense would be.

It’s weird isn’t it? Almost like most games take on an offensive or defensive vibe. Kirk clearly has a preference for the latter.

 

[ivan_drago]

It’s weird isn’t it? Almost like most games take on an offensive or defensive vibe. Kirk clearly has a preference for the latter.

Are you actually functionally disabled?

 

[Magic Cyclops]

I know they should’ve hated him from the get go without any results to back it up. That would’ve made total sense.

Prior to the last 3 years, his results weren't that bad, historically under Kirk. If you've been watching the last 3 years you would notice that the Offensive line has been atrocious. That's my questioning. Very hard to call plays when your o -line is complete shit.

My biggest complaint with Kirk is not following the Brad Banks model. Outside of Drew Tate and maybe Beathard, he should have been going hard after QB's that can move the pocket, escape pressure, occasional designed runs, safe high percentage throws. QB's like that in a pro-style offense geared towards running backs pounding the football would be golden.

 

[cloudhawk]

Yes, backyard football and players with Egos have fallen out of favour offensively.

Did Tony Ricearoni start currying favour once a certain someone who don't know shit about QB's became the QB coach. Step 1B is getting that fuck as far away from the program as possible

 

[douglasbader]

It’s weird isn’t it? Almost like most games take on an offensive or defensive vibe. Kirk clearly has a preference for the latter.

Lol. I'm just imagining Phil Parker and the defense on the sideline going, "Hey guys, the offense is really moving the ball and scoring today, so that means we got us an offensive vibe game. Let's take some chances and time to give up some points."

 

[AZmessDAWG]

I would fire my DC if he allowed what was happening on the other side of the ball change their approach on defense.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

I’ve got news for those of you hoping for an innovative OC.

Kirk really had his dream scenario by having his son as the OC. He believes, rightly imo, that more games are lost by stupid play-calling than won by smart play-calling. So he needs an unambitious play caller. Someone who is entirely devoted to his vision and not to putting up big stats in order to move up in the biz. It’s why he chose Davis years ago and why Chryst makes a lot of sense.

 

[douglasbader]

I would fire my DC if he allowed what was happening on the other side of the ball change their approach on defense.

Dude, you just don't get it, when a game takes on an offensive vibe there is just nothing you can do to stop it.

 

[cloudhawk]

He's got Phil on D- and he ain't changing that. It could be said that he could try and find a Chryst type that will bring a middling offense, which would probably be enough- especially for most fans. But I think it's time for a succession plan especially if it's someone who can bring in a bit of fire for NIL and offense.

Kirk couldnt probably care less about his successor, but it would be nice.

 

[Hawkstrat]

Some games take a special teams vibe.

 

[thrawn]

I’ve got news for those of you hoping for an innovative OC.

Kirk really had his dream scenario by having his son as the OC. He believes, rightly imo, that more games are lost by stupid play-calling than won by smart play-calling. So he needs an unambitious play caller. Someone who is entirely devoted to his vision and not to putting up big stats in order to move up in the biz. It’s why he chose Davis years ago and why Chryst makes a lot of sense.

You aren’t an intelligent person, and I feel bad for you because society failed you by not loudly informing of you of this at every stage of your life.

 

[cloudhawk]

I’ve got news for those of you hoping for an innovative OC.

Kirk really had his dream scenario by having his son as the OC. He believes, rightly imo, that more games are lost by stupid play-calling than won by smart play-calling. So he needs an unambitious play caller. Someone who is entirely devoted to his vision and not to putting up big stats in order to move up in the biz. It’s why he chose Davis years ago and why Chryst makes a lot of sense.

He was doing that to groom Brian without it being someone who would be threatening, imo

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

Lol. I'm just imagining Phil Parker and the defense on the sideline going, "Hey guys, the offense is really moving the ball and scoring today, so that means we got us an offensive vibe game. Let's take some chances and time to give up some points."

It’ the other way around. Once one offense has some success by taking chances you’ll see the other one follow suit.

 

[Magic Cyclops]

Lol. I'm just imagining Phil Parker and the defense on the sideline going, "Hey guys, the offense is really moving the ball and scoring today, so that means we got us an offensive vibe game. Let's take some chances and time to give up some points."

The idea that Iowa would be great if they just had decent offense is just dumb. Iowa has never had the type of skill players for a great offense, aside from 2002,1985. Complementary football and momentum is a thing. Iowa has beaten Michigan, Penn St, Wisconsin playing that way. Suffocating teams, throwing them off their game, that is how Iowa can win against those teams.

 

[Fritz Fequiere]

You aren’t an intelligent person, and I feel bad for you because society failed you by not loudly informing of you of this at every stage of your life.

And you’re a person -a man even, with an obscene number of posts on social media. Are you doing well in life?

 

[Hawkstrat]

The idea that Iowa would be great if they just had decent offense is just dumb. Iowa has never had the type of skill players for a great offense, aside from 2002,1985. Complementary football and momentum is a thing. Iowa has beaten Michigan, Penn St, Wisconsin playing that way. Suffocating teams, throwing them off their game, that is how Iowa can win against those teams.

This is incoherent.

 

[HiG 2.0]

I guess you missed the post above, retard.

Prolly took him two hours to type up his “insightful” post.

 

[HzzzHawk]

Love me some clops boyz.

And the mouse too

 

[Herky823]

I seem to recall Iowa fans and experts on this board being pretty excited about Brian coming on board. Gronk and Belichick had high praise for Brian. Offensive line improved when he came back and then when he was named Run Game coordinator prior to 2015 Hawks went 12-0. Brian isn't a big dumb oaf.

He had some great games and some clunkers, and then the past 3 years have been shit. Offensive line, QB, and receiver recruitment and development have been a big problem. I doubt that's all Brian's play calling

How? You only joined here in 2020. You must be thinking of a different board?

 

[Thomas Wolsey]

 

[HzzzHawk]

How? You only joined here in 2020. You must be thinking of a different board?

lol I’m busted. Good work herk

 

[CurdMan]

Question now is how much staff departure will there be? I wouldn’t be surprised to see Copeland walk and although he’s probably better than what Iowa has allowed him to show I’m fine with a fresh start there.

Defense is the real question. How many of these coaches became irreversibly pissed off that KF continued to let BF fuck around (and then wasn’t the one to actually step up and fire him)? My goal has always been to remove a bad staff member before it costs you good ones. KF has always had low staff turn over, but this off-season could be a real challenge

 

[SuperHans]

Grandpa won’t give up his car keys

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

Grandpa won’t give up his car keys

Cry

 

[FrodoTBaggin]

Question now is how much staff departure will there be? I wouldn’t be surprised to see Copeland walk and although he’s probably better than what Iowa has allowed him to show I’m fine with a fresh start there.

Defense is the real question. How many of these coaches became irreversibly pissed off that KF continued to let BF fuck around (and then wasn’t the one to actually step up and fire him)? My goal has always been to remove a bad staff member before it costs you good ones. KF has always had low staff turn over, but this off-season could be a real challenge

I'm sure it will be! If history has shown us anything, it's that coaches run from Kirk the first chance they get. HE'S POISONING THE WHOLE PROGRAM!

 

[The Dad]

Why would Copeland walk? His stock can’t be very high at this point and there certainly won’t be pressure for him to leave.

 

[gohawkeyes811]

For those who want Kirk to leave now when he's clearly still into it, what do you put the percentages at for it being a net positive for the program as a whole over the next 5 years?

I think it's very likely that it could become a very shitty situation at Iowa for awhile if he leaves abruptly without the opportunity to have a solid transition based on what he has built over the last few decades.

Luckily, it seems obvious that he is not that type of person, and does care about the future of the program, even in the midst of the Brian situation and the changes to college football he hates.

I just don't know why people think Iowa wouldn't suffer the same fate as many other programs if they have to hastily figure out what to do next.

The offense and entertainment value has been shitty the last few years, and hopefully this is a step in the right direction. But the stability Iowa has because of Kirk is just insane and really in the upper tier in college football.

 

[Hawkstrat]

I could see Wallace getting a DC job somewhere, but nobody is going to flee from Kirk.

 

[The Dad]

For those who want Kirk to leave now when he's clearly still into it, what do you put the percentages at for it being a net positive for the program as a whole over the next 5 years?

I think it's very likely that it could become a very shitty situation at Iowa for awhile if he leaves abruptly without the opportunity to have a solid transition based on what he has built over the last few decades.

Luckily, it seems obvious that he is not that type of person, and does care about the future of the program, even in the midst of the Brian situation and the changes to college football he hates.

I just don't know why people think Iowa wouldn't suffer the same fate as many other programs if they have to hastily figure out what to do next.

The offense and entertainment value has been shitty the last few years, and hopefully this is a step in the right direction. But the stability Iowa has because of Kirk is just insane and really in the upper tier in college football.

I’m glad Kirk is staying, however were he to leave I think you avoid a lot of the continuity issues by hiring Phil. He is deserving at this point.

That said, Iowa fans tend to act like scared pussies about this.

 

[coff]

Right. And then it turned out they were wrong and he was bad so they changed their minds.

Which is what rational people do when circumstances show they were wrong.

LOL

 

[SuperHans]

Cry

no? I’m not the one in love with him

 

[douglasbader]

Question now is how much staff departure will there be? I wouldn’t be surprised to see Copeland walk and although he’s probably better than what Iowa has allowed him to show I’m fine with a fresh start there.

Defense is the real question. How many of these coaches became irreversibly pissed off that KF continued to let BF fuck around (and then wasn’t the one to actually step up and fire him)? My goal has always been to remove a bad staff member before it costs you good ones. KF has always had low staff turn over, but this off-season could be a real challenge

Of all the posts in this thread, this is the dumbest of them all.

 

[The Full Monte]

Yeah, this is the problem with all of the "this is on Kirk, nothing is going to change!" stuff. I agree that not much is going to change. But KOK or Greg Davis were both better than this. The problem is unfortunately that Brian was just not very good as a coordinator.

I think I understand the point you're making, but from the conversations I've had this week, my understanding is that while Brian was just not very good as a coordinator, the larger issue was Kirk's unwillingness to address or acknowledge it. When pressed on it, publicly and privately, he defended it and acted like there was no issue. Even his response to the question "what would you do differently?" was "keep guys healthy." My gut is that had those conversations gone differently, this would have played out....much differently.

 

[The Full Monte]

All of that to say, that I think a vast vast VAST majority of Iowa fans and donors would absolutely love nothing more than Kirk hiring a competent OC and remaining head of the program.

 

[AZmessDAWG]

I’m glad Kirk is staying, however were he to leave I think you avoid a lot of the continuity issues by hiring Phil. He is deserving at this point.

That said, Iowa fans tend to act like scared pussies about this.

Agree. The reason iowa fell off in 98-2000 wasn’t bc there was a new coach, it’s bc the recruiting fell off dramatically.

Get a new HC, keep the key staff members, bring in some of your own guys, and keep the recruiting at same level.

 

[douglasbader]

I think I understand the point you're making, but from the conversations I've had this week, my understanding is that while Brian was just not very good as a coordinator, the larger issue was Kirk's unwillingness to address or acknowledge it. When pressed on it, publicly and privately, he defended it and acted like there was no issue. Even his response to the question "what would you do differently?" was "keep guys healthy." My gut is that had those conversations gone differently, this would have played out....much differently.

Kirk has extreme loyalty, and that appears to extend especially to his Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz.

Perhaps with the decision made for him he will go back to his normal level of loyalty. He's been ready and willing to fire multiple coaches before and make changes, perhaps he will do it again.

 

[CurdMan]

Of all the posts in this thread, this is the dumbest of them all.

Most of those defensive coaches have options that would likely lead to promotions or equal or higher pay elsewhere. I’m not saying people will “flee” from KF. But you can’t tell me that a defensive coach might not be fed up with trying to win despite a shitty offense and being ready to try something else. That’s not far fetched whatsoever.

 

[SuperHans]

For those who want Kirk to leave now when he's clearly still into it, what do you put the percentages at for it being a net positive for the program as a whole over the next 5 years?

I think it's very likely that it could become a very shitty situation at Iowa for awhile if he leaves abruptly without the opportunity to have a solid transition based on what he has built over the last few decades.

Luckily, it seems obvious that he is not that type of person, and does care about the future of the program, even in the midst of the Brian situation and the changes to college football he hates.

I just don't know why people think Iowa wouldn't suffer the same fate as many other programs if they have to hastily figure out what to do next.

The offense and entertainment value has been shitty the last few years, and hopefully this is a step in the right direction. But the stability Iowa has because of Kirk is just insane and really in the upper tier in college football.

Why would this be “hastily” figuring out next steps? Him leaving is inevitable. It can’t be put off indefinitely.

 

[BillyBob]

These long tenured coach situations rarely end well.

 

[douglasbader]

Most of those defensive coaches have options that would likely lead to promotions or equal or higher pay elsewhere. I’m not saying people will “flee” from KF. But you can’t tell me that a defensive coach might not be fed up with trying to win despite a shitty offense and being ready to try something else. That’s not far fetched whatsoever.

Listen to yourself.

You are saying the defensive coaches might leave because they are fed up with Brian being on the staff and things not improving, so the second that he has been publicly fired/executed, NOW they are going to take off en mass?

It would be far more logical that these coaches would be excited the program is getting rid of Brian and getting someone new and have what appears to be a re-invigorated Kirk.

That is why your post is far fetched.

 

[douglasbader]

These long tenured coach situations rarely end well.

Agreed, but yesterday was a really positive step. He seems to have the maturity after what happened to be self-aware and introspective about himself and the situation. That is usually the issue. This at least shows there is hope he is thinking on a higher level now when it comes to the program.