**Official #11 Indiana vs Iowa Football Thread - 2:30pm - Peacock**

[HiawathaHawk]

I just feel as an Iowa, we can't complain about tipped ball luck after the last five seasons or so.

Well that’s stupid. You can say they went the wrong way today without saying your program is cursed.

 

[HiawathaHawk]

And that roughing call, fuck…

 

[Lee Beevers]

The tipped balls have done the wrong way this season in general. Sports!!!

 

[cloudhawk]

This game and the Iowa St game are ones the Hawks used to win- frustrating

 

[douglasbader]

They are 2 plays away from being undefeated and ranked in the Top 15 right now. Man this fucking sucks.

 

[Kerky]

And that roughing call, fuck…

I think we got fortunate on more than one other occasion though. I recall several hands to the face/head region.

With that said, they knew they were in a game and Mendoza is going to feel this game for more than a day.

 

[CamelTones]

I don’t think people are giving Indiana enough credit for having a very good defense.

 

[douglasbader]

This was a conference game. You are crazy to think this game doesn’t hurt way worse than a non-conference road loss at Iowa state. Unlike that game, Iowa won the line of scrimmage for four quarters and should have won the game.

It's not 2023 and we don't have divisions anymore and there are now 18 teams in the conference with a 12 team playoff. The odds of making the playoff is much better than playing for the Big Ten Championship.

Losing to Iowa State hurts just as much now as a conference game, because the only realistic thing to play for is the 12 team playoff. When you had less teams and divisions and a 4 team playoff, non-conference losses didn't mean a fucking thing. You could blow a game to Iowa State and it had no bearing on your ability to get to Indianapolis for a 1 game shot at the Rose Bowl or even the 4 team playoff if you only had one loss.

Maybe when they expand to 16 teams it won't matter as much because you can more easily get in with 3 losses, but right now you have to have only 2 losses overall or you pretty much have no shot.

The only outside chance Iowa is even considered with 3 losses is if they somehow beat Penn State AND Oregon and lose maybe a road game at a ranked USC (but even that hope went away when they shit the bed against Illinois today). Then you would have a 3 point loss on the road to ranked Iowa State, a brutal home loss to Top 10 Indiana and a tough road loss against USC with excellent home wins against Top 10 teams and a road win at Nebrantska. Would still need a lot of help to get in.

 

[CamelTones]

I realize other QBs get injured, but Iowas fortune when it comes to mobile QBs sucks donkey dick.

 

[douglasbader]

Oh, and the reason that Iowa beat Rutgers and should have beat Indiana today was Gronowski. He's the difference. Keeping those drives going and converting over and over on 3rd and 5 and 3rd and 7 is a game changer for Iowa. It keeps the defense fresh enough to be effective in these games.

If he can't go and you have Brown the rest of the way, you're not likely converting those. You almost completely lose your QB run threat and the ability to draw top teams into the muck at Kinnick is less likely.

7 games left. You have to at minimum sweep the lesser teams (Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan State) and hope you can pull out 1-2 of the others, but that is looking like a daunting task now. I'd say 6-6 or 7-5 is where they end up and won't be shocked at all with 5-7. It's just a brutal schedule the rest of the way.

 

[iowa4ever20]

It's not 2023 and we don't have divisions anymore and there are now 18 teams in the conference with a 12 team playoff. The odds of making the playoff is much better than playing for the Big Ten Championship.

Losing to Iowa State hurts just as much now as a conference game, because the only realistic thing to play for is the 12 team playoff. When you had less teams and divisions and a 4 team playoff, non-conference losses didn't mean a fucking thing. You could blow a game to Iowa State and it had no bearing on your ability to get to Indianapolis for a 1 game shot at the Rose Bowl or even the 4 team playoff if you only had one loss.

Maybe when they expand to 16 teams it won't matter as much because you can more easily get in with 3 losses, but right now you have to have only 2 losses overall or you pretty much have no shot.

The only outside chance Iowa is even considered with 3 losses is if they somehow beat Penn State AND Oregon and lose maybe a road game at a ranked USC (but even that hope went away when they shit the bed against Illinois today). Then you would have a 3 point loss on the road to ranked Iowa State, a brutal home loss to Top 10 Indiana and a tough road loss against USC with excellent home wins against Top 10 teams and a road win at Nebrantska. Would still need a lot of help to get in.

I disagree. Making the playoffs became much harder after losing today than losing against Iowa State on the road. When you get behind in the conference standings pecking order you are fucked especially if not a blue blood. After USC lost today to the team Indiana slaughtered, Iowa was in poll position to be the fourth best team in the conference with home games against two of the three teams in front. Win one of those games and win out and they would be in over Michigan, USC, Indiana whoever. You beat Iowa State and then lose to Indiana, you are firmly behind OSU, Oregon, PSU, and Indiana. The Big Ten isn’t getting five teams in.

 

[douglasbader]

I realize other QBs get injured, but Iowas fortune when it comes to mobile QBs sucks donkey dick.

Banks - was he even mobile or did people think he was just because he is black?
Tate - knocked out of that Iowa State game in 2005, banged up much of 2006, was clearly our best in the Ferentz era
Christensen - sucked, couldn't throw
Beathard - stayed clean for like 3 games and then was hobbled the rest of 2015 and banged up all of 2016
Padilla, Fat Marco - sucked, couldn't throw
Sullivan - was a concussion or injury risk every single play
Gronowski - made it 4.5 games before he got hurt

 

[douglasbader]

I disagree. Making the playoffs became much harder after losing today than losing against Iowa State on the road. When you get behind in the conference standings pecking order you are fucked especially if not a blue blood. After USC lost today to the team Indiana slaughtered, Iowa was in poll position to be the fourth best team in the conference with home games against two of the three teams in front. Win one of those games and win out and they would be in over Michigan, USC, Indiana whoever. You beat Iowa State and then lose to Indiana, you are firmly behind OSU, Oregon, PSU, and Indiana. The Big Ten isn’t getting five teams in.

Yeah, going to have to disagree with this given you're going to have to be 10-2 to make it in, so a win over Top 15 Iowa State on the road and a loss to Top 10 Indiana at home and let's say a loss to Top 25 USC on the road with wins against Top 5 Penn State and Oregon along with road win at Nebrantska isn't getting anyone left out no matter who it is.

If the team "above" you in the Big Ten has against Wake Forrest in the non-conference and Minnesota in conference with their best win as someone like Maryland and Nebrantska with the same 10-2 record overall but 1 less Big Ten loss, the Iowa team above isn't getting left out for them just because they have a better record in conference.

Big Ten or SEC can absolutely get 5 teams in as well. ACC sucks this year, Big XII sucks and both could be 1 bid leagues. Notre Dame not a factor for sake of argument, so add in the Group of 5 team and that's 3 out of the 12, so SEC or Big Ten get 5 in that scenario with 9 remaining slots.

 

[Thrawn II]

Banks - was he even mobile or did people think he was just because he is black?

he wasn’t Michael Vick but had nearly 600 career rushing yards in the rough equivalent of 15 career starts

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[douglasbader]

he wasn’t Michael Vick but had nearly 600 career rushing yards in the rough equivalent of 15 career starts

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I honestly couldn't remember it has been so long. I remember the scramble against Iowa State where he stupidly went out of bounds too early, but after that I somehow thought the argument was that he actually wasn't that mobile but people just thought he was for the reasons stated above.

 

[douglasbader]

Speaking of the schedule, you could see this coming and why Iowa fucking around 2021-2024 was such a giant missed opportunity. They have never had a more ideal schedule over that period of time and if they had a remotely competent OC and QB, they would have gone on a Wisconsin 09-12 type of a run and played in multiple Rose Bowl's and playoff games. All they had to do was grab a real QB and get rid of Kirk’s son, Brian Ferentz.

They likely have a better team now this year than any of the teams from 2021-2024 that had multiple 10 win seasons and could realistically scratch out a 5-7 record in 2025 due to the schedule.

The good news is, if they can find a way to have a competent QB next year, the 2026 schedule is about as ideal as it gets in the new era of 18 teams in the Big Ten.

 

[iowa4ever20]

Yeah, going to have to disagree with this given you're going to have to be 10-2 to make it in, so a win over Top 15 Iowa State on the road and a loss to Top 10 Indiana at home and let's say a loss to Top 25 USC on the road with wins against Top 5 Penn State and Oregon along with road win at Nebrantska isn't getting anyone left out no matter who it is.

If the team "above" you in the Big Ten has against Wake Forrest in the non-conference and Minnesota in conference with their best win as someone like Maryland and Nebrantska with the same 10-2 record overall but 1 less Big Ten loss, the Iowa team above isn't getting left out for them just because they have a better record in conference.

Big Ten or SEC can absolutely get 5 teams in as well. ACC sucks this year, Big XII sucks and both could be 1 bid leagues. Notre Dame not a factor for sake of argument, so add in the Group of 5 team and that's 3 out of the 12, so SEC or Big Ten get 5 in that scenario with 9 remaining slots.

If the assumption is Iowa beats both Penn State and Oregon this year then ok LOL. They are still likely fine then even if lose at USC.

 

[champion_thedrinker]

How do I cancel my peacock subscription.

TIA

 

[douglasbader]

If the assumption is Iowa beats both Penn State and Oregon this year then ok LOL. They are still likely fine then even if lose at USC.

Well, what other assumption can I make if the hypothetical is 10-2 with a win against Iowa State and loss to Indiana? That means one more loss to another Big Ten team the rest of the year, which by default means they at least have to beat one of Penn State / Oregon. Even if I say they beat Penn State and lose to Oregon then that means the beat USC on the road instead.

Who cares though, they aren't winning out or even finishing 9-3. If they do somehow finish 9-3 this year, you could argue it was maybe the best year that Iowa ever had under Ferentz and outside shot at the playoff.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Somehow Iowa made it through camp healthy and then everyone started hurting everything.

 

[douglasbader]

Somehow Iowa made it through camp healthy and then everyone started hurting everything.

Imagine if they had a health Ostrenga / Moulton for the Iowa State game and healthy Ostrenga for this game.

 

[iowa4ever20]

Well, what other assumption can I make if the hypothetical is 10-2 with a win against Iowa State and loss to Indiana? That means one more loss to another Big Ten team the rest of the year, which by default means they at least have to beat one of Penn State / Oregon. Even if I say they beat Penn State and lose to Oregon then that means the beat USC on the road instead.

Who cares though, they aren't winning out or even finishing 9-3. If they do somehow finish 9-3 this year, you could argue it was maybe the best year that Iowa ever had under Ferentz and outside shot at the playoff.

Agreed, realistically they had to finish 10-2 by beating both Iowa State and Indiana, splitting PSU and Oregon and losing at USC.

 

[Geese]

Yeah just imagine

 

[Geese]

Wow I'm imagining it now !!!

 

[Geese]

U guys r right this is awesome I prefer imagining shit vs living in reality

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Imagine if they had a health Ostrenga / Moulton for the Iowa State game and healthy Ostrenga for this game.

I want Vander zee back

 

[CamelTones]

Koen Entringer is awesome.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Thought lutmer did some really good things today

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Did I see another freshman db out there, 19 Geordie or something like that

 

[gable_guy]

Peacock playing an ad anytime you fast forward is some crazy shit though

 

[BillyBob]

Iowa football is flaccid and impotent

 

[Hawkstrat]

Iowa football is flaccid and impotent

But, imagine if the opposite things happened?

Rock hard!

 

[RecreationalGynecologist]

The talent/experience issue at LB isn’t going to be fixed anytime soon.

Still played well today

 

[Silky Johnson]

Didn’t read a lot of this thread but overall a very strong effort against a good team. Gronowski played tough but this team would be 5-0 with Fat Nate level QB play and it’s a damn shame these coaches haven’t found someone who can do that for 6 years now.

Phil did amazing today, especially considering what he has to work with.

 

[jd10]

Has Phil called a game more aggressively than that one? I think all of the back seven got sent at least once, with extra doses of Lutmer, Sharar, and the CBs.

Entringer and Lutmer were great. Graves would have probably been Big Ten POTW if not for the war crimes being committed against him by Indiana’s o line.

Really fucking sucks that Gronowski got injured.

 

[CamelTones]

Fat Nate was throwing to Fant, Hockenson, ISM, Brandon Smith, Tyrone Tracy while having Wirfs and Jackson playing tackle for him.

Gronowski is playing fine. He missed one 3rd down throw to Gill.

 

[Hawk&Balls]

Has Phil called a game more aggressively than that one? I think all of the back seven got sent at least once, with extra doses of Lutmer, Sharar, and the CBs.

I kept waiting for it to burn us, and it didn't until the last td

 

[Silky Johnson]

Fat Nate was throwing to Fant, Hockenson, ISM, Brandon Smith, Tyrone Tracy while having Wirfs and Jackson playing tackle for him.

Gronowski is playing fine. He missed one 3rd down throw to Gill.

He threw an int on the 2nd play of the game that gifted Indiana a TD. He also turtled against Iowa State. I’ll agree he largely played solid today, but lol if you think QB isn’t still a problem for this team.

 

[Silky Johnson]

I kept waiting for it to burn us, and it didn't until the last td

If our 5 star safety could tackle it only would’ve been a mild burn.

 

[The Tin Man]

With the level of talent down a little overall, and at this point in the season, this team is unable to overcome turnovers against good teams. It has been a killer in both losses. Injuries certainly haven’t helped in this regard. Going forward I imagine the team will improve down the stretch, like they usually do. Hopefully that improvement decreases turnovers or increases their ability to overcome them.

 

[Creed]

Indiana’s guys were wrecking balls that always fell forward and managed to steal a lot of extra yardage after contact. That was probably the biggest difference. They were an aggressive and impressive group.

 

[Fletch]

Indiana’s guys were wrecking balls that always fell forward and managed to steal a lot of extra yardage after contact. That was probably the biggest difference. They were an aggressive and impressive group.

I don’t know if this is the right word, but they play angry.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

Their coach is a pretty big shitbag

 

[The Tin Man]

Their coach is a pretty big shitbag

SAB

 

[Renegade_ofFunk]

Fat Nate was throwing to Fant, Hockenson, ISM, Brandon Smith, Tyrone Tracy while having Wirfs and Jackson playing tackle for him.

Gronowski is playing fine. He missed one 3rd down throw to Gill.

A lot of the issues are because he doesn’t have reliable targets. Gronowski is throwing to Hayden Large and Sam Phillips and according to Kirk the WR are having a lot of problems running their routes correctly (probably partly because they have one of the worst offensive minds in the country in Budmayr coaching them). That and they’re as a group good for probably a critical drop every drive. At TE Ostrenga isn’t a world beater but he’d be better out there than a Dordt transfer they brought in to play fullback and a freshman.

Mark is way better from the ISU game. He’s a good QB. He’s not a Heisman candidate but he’s good.

 

[Silky Johnson]

He’s thrown for 227 yards in our two games against solid teams. I get the receivers aren’t great and the scheme matters but come on. The bar can’t be this low even with his running ability (24 carries for 44 yards in said games and yes I know sacks count).

Gronowski is a tough kid and a competitor but the staff simply can’t recruit or more importantly coach the position and it’s a big problem.

 

[Stu Beagle]

Gron is fine. Not great, but also a massive upgrade over everyone since Nate

 

[Dr. Zaius]

The vicious cycle of not being able to recruit WRs because the QB/offense sucks and then the QB sucking even more because the WRs suck needs a hard reset

 

[Renegade_ofFunk]

The vicious cycle of not being able to recruit WRs because the QB/offense sucks and then the QB sucking even more because the WRs suck needs a hard reset

Brian with his best boys Peaches and Cade did a lot of damage that may unfortunately be irreparable in the “current administration”. Lester is absolutely trying to upgrade the QB roster and scheme to get the ball to WR. It just seems like they’re chasing their tail.

It took years to build a reputation that shitty and one year just isn’t enough to overcome it without on field results. Especially with other programs offering the same or better money with years of offensive production as a track record to bring in QBs and skill talent for a quick turnaround.

We’ll see what happens the rest of the season and how healthy the team is after the bye.

 

[WCFHawkeye]

Peacock playing an ad anytime you fast forward is some crazy shit though

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