**2018-2019 Iowa Hawkeyes Basketball Season Thread**

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Make the selection today, that's 4 NCAA births in 8 years. Make it next year (which they should), 5 in 9. Davis made it 6 times in the 90s, so, I'd argue that Fran has the program back to its sustainable ceiling, given the shitty recruiting base, limited facilities, and idiot fan base.

I'm frustrated by Franball, but this is an acceptable level -- you'd need to find a cheating motherfucker or transfer artist to do much better at Iowa.
 

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Make the selection today, that's 4 NCAA births in 8 years. Make it next year (which they should), 5 in 9. Davis made it 6 times in the 90s, so, I'd argue that Fran has the program back to its sustainable ceiling, given the shitty recruiting base, limited facilities, and idiot fan base.

I'm frustrated by Franball, but this is an acceptable level -- you'd need to find a cheating motherfucker or transfer artist to do much better at Iowa.
You sound like a little bitch. Enjoy the moment, hope for the best.
Also very tired of ceiling talk. Fran has a decent amount of talent on this roster, with a couple more on the way next year.
Start making regular tourney appearances, and you have a chance to get better classes, especially with upcoming changes to NBA early entry rules.
 

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Make the selection today, that's 4 NCAA births in 8 years. Make it next year (which they should), 5 in 9. Davis made it 6 times in the 90s, so, I'd argue that Fran has the program back to its sustainable ceiling, given the shitty recruiting base, limited facilities, and idiot fan base.

I'm frustrated by Franball, but this is an acceptable level -- you'd need to find a cheating motherfucker or transfer artist to do much better at Iowa.
You sound like a little bitch. Enjoy the moment, hope for the best.
Also very tired of ceiling talk. Fran has a decent amount of talent on this roster, with a couple more on the way next year.
Start making regular tourney appearances, and you have a chance to get better classes, especially with upcoming changes to NBA early entry rules.
Agreed. One elite eight run and the entire complexion of this program changes. That chance has been in play, and it will continue to be.
 

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nyuk nyuk nyuk.

We'll see how the new recruiting rules impact mid-level P5 programs like Iowa. People who measure Iowa against the Lute era (completely different recruiting landscape) or the Ravelling era (bag man!) need to make an honest assessment of where a school like Iowa really is in 2019.

Making the ncaa 4 years out of every 5, and an occasional once-a-decade sweet 16 is about where you're going to get. Internet tough guy talk and adamant insistence on Lute-level performance is pretty silly.
 

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nyuk nyuk nyuk.

We'll see how the new recruiting rules impact mid-level P5 programs like Iowa. People who measure Iowa against the Lute era (completely different recruiting landscape) or the Ravelling era (bag man!) need to make an honest assessment of where a school like Iowa really is in 2019.

Making the ncaa 4 years out of every 5, and an occasional once-a-decade sweet 16 is about where you're going to get. Internet tough guy talk and adamant insistence on Lute-level performance is pretty silly.
A power five school isn't precluded from being successful just by virtue. Look at Virginia. Or Gonzaga, Wichita State. I'm not saying we're destined to be an elite or even good program. But it's not impossible and talk of "ceilings" is self defeating.
 

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Lot of mediocrity accepting FUCKS in here. You need to demand more!
 
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Make the selection today, that's 4 NCAA births in 8 years. Make it next year (which they should), 5 in 9. Davis made it 6 times in the 90s, so, I'd argue that Fran has the program back to its sustainable ceiling, given the shitty recruiting base, limited facilities, and idiot fan base.

I'm frustrated by Franball, but this is an acceptable level -- you'd need to find a cheating motherfucker or transfer artist to do much better at Iowa.
You sound like a little bitch. Enjoy the moment, hope for the best.
Also very tired of ceiling talk. Fran has a decent amount of talent on this roster, with a couple more on the way next year.
Start making regular tourney appearances, and you have a chance to get better classes, especially with upcoming changes to NBA early entry rules.
Agreed. One elite eight run and the entire complexion of this program changes. That chance has been in play, and it will continue to be.
They got a decent shot at that when Garza's a senior/Weiskamp's a junior especially if they land Foster.
 

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You sound like a little bitch. Enjoy the moment, hope for the best.
Also very tired of ceiling talk. Fran has a decent amount of talent on this roster, with a couple more on the way next year.
Start making regular tourney appearances, and you have a chance to get better classes, especially with upcoming changes to NBA early entry rules.
Agreed. One elite eight run and the entire complexion of this program changes. That chance has been in play, and it will continue to be.
They got a decent shot at that when Garza's a senior/Weiskamp's a junior especially if they land Foster.
We as fans cannot wait that long!!
 

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The fact is blue blood programs like Kansas are cheating. That makes it very hard for a program like Iowa to play by the rules and have much more success than we have currently
 
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Watching the A10 championship and hopefully Toussaint plays like the guards in this game. Iowa absolutely needs athletic guards going forward if they hope to improve their BIG standing.
 

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You sound like a little bitch. Enjoy the moment, hope for the best.
Also very tired of ceiling talk. Fran has a decent amount of talent on this roster, with a couple more on the way next year.
Start making regular tourney appearances, and you have a chance to get better classes, especially with upcoming changes to NBA early entry rules.
Agreed. One elite eight run and the entire complexion of this program changes. That chance has been in play, and it will continue to be.
They got a decent shot at that when Garza's a senior/Weiskamp's a junior especially if they land Foster.
I think Toussaint will have a bigger impact on Iowa making a run that year. There is just so much skill on this roster but I wouldn't say any player makes the game easier for their teammates. I think Weiskamp will when he gets more touches and Toussaint has the potential to help on both ends of the floor.
 

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A lot of wishful thinking about Toussaint with Iowa fans. Two unknowns. One, he's never played a college game and we are assuming he takes over the role we want him to.
 

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A lot of wishful thinking about Toussaint with Iowa fans. Two unknowns. One, he's never played a college game and we are assuming he takes over the role we want him to.
Thanks for keeping me in czech. What role do you think he will have his sophomore year?
 

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A lot of wishful thinking about Toussaint with Iowa fans. Two unknowns. One, he's never played a college game and we are assuming he takes over the role we want him to.
Thanks for keeping me in czech. What role do you think he will have his sophomore year?
It's a fair point though. I'm excited by what I've seen, but he doesn't have the kind of recruiting profile that screams can't miss.
 

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A lot of wishful thinking about Toussaint with Iowa fans. Two unknowns. One, he's never played a college game and we are assuming he takes over the role we want him to.
Thanks for keeping me in czech. What role do you think he will have his sophomore year?
It's a fair point though. I'm excited by what I've seen, but he doesn't have the kind of recruiting profile that screams can't miss.
Right but no matter how good Foster is if Toussaint sucks that team isn't making the elite 8 IMO, which was the point of my initial post. Toussaint should have a big role his sophomore year. That's why I used the word potential. He has something no other Fran PG has ever had but I realize alot of quick guards don't pan out.
 

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I too am expecting the unheralded 3 star PG recruit to make a huge impact.
 

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I hope he's incredible and forces Fran's hand with playing time. But, we are dealing with family issues, seniority issues and experience issues. Fran seems pretty loyal to guys that may not deserve as much playing time as he gives them.
 
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Cartwright kinda did.
Sort of, but I would say he was better at changing speeds and more crafty than jet quick. Either way Toussaint is going to have alot more skill around him than Cartwright. I tend to think Toussaint is going to have a big role his sophomore year but it sounds like some here disagree
 

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Looking at next years OOC schedule, they’re playing Cinci in Chicago. At Iowa State as well as playing in Vegas against 2 of Creighton, San Diego State and Texas Tech.

They will also be returning to the Gavitt games, and based on returning players will likely play a top half Big East team. And of course they will be on the road in the Big Ten-ACC challenge where the same thing will apply. I could see them playing someone like Louisville.
 

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Make the selection today, that's 4 NCAA births in 8 years. Make it next year (which they should), 5 in 9. Davis made it 6 times in the 90s, so, I'd argue that Fran has the program back to its sustainable ceiling, given the shitty recruiting base, limited facilities, and idiot fan base.

I'm frustrated by Franball, but this is an acceptable level -- you'd need to find a cheating motherfucker or transfer artist to do much better at Iowa.
You sound like a little bitch. Enjoy the moment, hope for the best.
Also very tired of ceiling talk. Fran has a decent amount of talent on this roster, with a couple more on the way next year.
Start making regular tourney appearances, and you have a chance to get better classes, especially with upcoming changes to NBA early entry rules.
Agreed. One elite eight run and the entire complexion of this program changes. That chance has been in play, and it will continue to be.
One player.

Take a standard Iowa roster from the last 6 years and add one game changing recruit.

That’s how close Iowa has been. I think it will happen soon.
 

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"Game changing recruit" = top 50 point guard. full stop.

We'll see if Fran can land one....

More likely we live with the "achilles heel 3 star," which is what Fran has been able to land (yes, I know that Toussaint and Gesell are/were 4 stars on ESPN -- I'm talking consensus 4-star, on all three ratings services, ESPN, Rivals, 247. It don't mean a thing unless it's consensus. Hell, 247 had Brandon Hutton as top 100 for a while).
 

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Gesell was a consensus 4* and made the tourney three times
My bad. I remembered him as a 3 star on Rivals, and was too lazy to look it up.

Yep, # 100, 4 stars, a few spots ahead of the first 3 star...and future NBA pg Fred Van Vleet at 3 stars, # 136. Just goes to show....

I stand by the "top 50 pg" statement. A kid can be top 100 and still not a "difference maker." And the top 50 kid can be a bust -- Ceasar Guerrero, anyone?
 
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Make the selection today, that's 4 NCAA births in 8 years. Make it next year (which they should), 5 in 9. Davis made it 6 times in the 90s, so, I'd argue that Fran has the program back to its sustainable ceiling, given the shitty recruiting base, limited facilities, and idiot fan base.

I'm frustrated by Franball, but this is an acceptable level -- you'd need to find a cheating motherfucker or transfer artist to do much better at Iowa.
Agree on the first two points but Iowa's fans have zero impact on anything. If we did, then the inverse would be true and fans should get credit for when Iowa succeeds which is also retarded. The only thing fans can control is attendance at games. Iowa can improve in that area but aren't terrible.

Unless you're talking about some mouth-breathers on Twitter or call-in shows but I trust that Fran is smart enough to realize that those types of people are counted among every fan base.
 
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Gesell was a consensus 4* and made the tourney three times
He was a great get at the time, just didn't develop as much as we all hoped. He was a pretty good athlete, just couldn't finish a play or shoot the 3 to save his life.

I don't remember him being abused on defense like Iowa has the past three seasons, but maybe I'm losing my memory.

For anyone expecting a quick turnover with Joe T next season, he can't guard all the perimeter positions. It will be a lot of the same unless Fran can revamp the backcourt group.
 

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Gesell was a consensus 4* and made the tourney three times
He was a great get at the time, just didn't develop as much as we all hoped. He was a pretty good athlete, just couldn't finish a play or shoot the 3 to save his life.

I don't remember him being abused on defense like Iowa has the past three seasons, but maybe I'm losing my memory.

For anyone expecting a quick turnover with Joe T next season, he can't guard all the perimeter positions. It will be a lot of the same unless Fran can revamp the backcourt group.
Disagree to some extent.

Adding Wieskamp (and by some extent Connor) took this team from 14 wins to 22 wins and the NCAA Tournament. That was with Garza being way behind due to medical and injury, Cook getting banged up and other factors.

Give Iowa a real penetrating PG backup and another shooter with Nunge and inside player with Pemsl and this team is even deeper and stronger.
 
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Gesell was a consensus 4* and made the tourney three times
He was a great get at the time, just didn't develop as much as we all hoped. He was a pretty good athlete, just couldn't finish a play or shoot the 3 to save his life.

I don't remember him being abused on defense like Iowa has the past three seasons, but maybe I'm losing my memory.

For anyone expecting a quick turnover with Joe T next season, he can't guard all the perimeter positions. It will be a lot of the same unless Fran can revamp the backcourt group.
Disagree to some extent.

Adding Wieskamp (and by some extent Connor) took this team from 14 wins to 22 wins and the NCAA Tournament. That was with Garza being way behind due to medical and injury, Cook getting banged up and other factors.

Give Iowa a real penetrating PG backup and another shooter with Nunge and inside player with Pemsl and this team is even deeper and stronger.
If you were to boil all these words down to a point or a prediction, what would it be?
 

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He was a great get at the time, just didn't develop as much as we all hoped. He was a pretty good athlete, just couldn't finish a play or shoot the 3 to save his life.

I don't remember him being abused on defense like Iowa has the past three seasons, but maybe I'm losing my memory.

For anyone expecting a quick turnover with Joe T next season, he can't guard all the perimeter positions. It will be a lot of the same unless Fran can revamp the backcourt group.
Disagree to some extent.

Adding Wieskamp (and by some extent Connor) took this team from 14 wins to 22 wins and the NCAA Tournament. That was with Garza being way behind due to medical and injury, Cook getting banged up and other factors.

Give Iowa a real penetrating PG backup and another shooter with Nunge and inside player with Pemsl and this team is even deeper and stronger.
If you were to boil all these words down to a point or a prediction, what would it be?
No prediction yet, have to see what Cook is going to do.

The point is I think Iowa is going to continue to improve next year. They are adding more pieces and potentially not losing much.
 

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Disagree to some extent.

Adding Wieskamp (and by some extent Connor) took this team from 14 wins to 22 wins and the NCAA Tournament. That was with Garza being way behind due to medical and injury, Cook getting banged up and other factors.

Give Iowa a real penetrating PG backup and another shooter with Nunge and inside player with Pemsl and this team is even deeper and stronger.
If you were to boil all these words down to a point or a prediction, what would it be?
No prediction yet, have to see what Cook is going to do.

The point is I think Iowa is going to continue to improve next year. They are adding more pieces and potentially not losing much.
My fear next year is Fran goes back to playing 13 guys.

Need to see him properly handle depth to count it as a strength at this point.
 

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If you were to boil all these words down to a point or a prediction, what would it be?
No prediction yet, have to see what Cook is going to do.

The point is I think Iowa is going to continue to improve next year. They are adding more pieces and potentially not losing much.
My fear next year is Fran goes back to playing 13 guys.

Need to see him properly handle depth to count it as a strength at this point.
It will work itself out. I think they will only have 11 scholarship players with Till getting an open one for a year.

2 guys are going to not be here that are currently on the team.
 

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If Toussaint was going to be a sophomore and bohannon was willing to move off the ball I’d really like the lineup of Toussaint, bohannon, Joe, Cook and Garza.

3 guys that can handle the ball. A skilled 5 and Cook as the garbage man (though they would probably run too much offense through him).
 

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No prediction yet, have to see what Cook is going to do.

The point is I think Iowa is going to continue to improve next year. They are adding more pieces and potentially not losing much.
My fear next year is Fran goes back to playing 13 guys.

Need to see him properly handle depth to count it as a strength at this point.
It will work itself out. I think they will only have 11 scholarship players with Till getting an open one for a year.

2 guys are going to not be here that are currently on the team.
I've talked myself into that last year most of the rotation issues were because they didn't have a SF or backup PG on the roster and Fran was just throwing shit at a wall to fill those spots.

Next year Fran will at least have options at every position but I have no idea how you incorporate Nunge, Pemsl, Toussaint, Frederick, and Patrick. Whatever Fran does it won't be worse than Ellingson at PG, Baer at SG or Nunge/Wagner at SF so for that I'm thankful.
 

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I am watching the Michigan game again because I was piss drunk Friday with a fun group and just watched half watched the game in a bar. I’m really not even mad. We just missed some makable shots that would have kept us in the game. Moss was actually very active.

One of the risks of slapping on the press early is the energy it takes.

I am excited for this weekend and even more excited for next year. I always want to win but this year it be extra sweet if Fran could snap a Sweet 16” across the face of the “fans” and media. Jordan was terrible in some bad losses but he seems built for this stage.
 

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Simpson’s running hook is an incredible weapon. He deserves huge props for developing that because he probably took a ton of shit along the way.
 

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Simpson’s running hook is an incredible weapon. He deserves huge props for developing that because he probably took a ton of shit along the way.
Absolutely. My dad tried to teach me that shot growing up. Not that I would’ve been able to perfect it, but I should’ve listened. It’s nearly unguardable when executed. I always felt like an idiot throwing up the running hook brick though.
 

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Cook and Dailey, I'll say. The former should stay.
 

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No way is Fredrick transferring. That guy was willing to come to Iowa without even knowing if he’d have a scholarship. Best candidates are Cook, Dailey, Connor in that order
Why would Connor transfer? That's ridiculous. I could see Moss leaving
He wouldn't transfer, he would just play baseball. But, I don't think that happens.
Connor isn’t quitting basketball before he has a chance to play with Patrick in an Iowa uniform. It’s simply not happening.
 
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